Orlando

A conversation I just had on another page:

MAN: Makes me wonder where all the people screaming all lives matter are now.

ME: Some of us are standing right here. Grieving with and for the families of those dead and injured. Some of us are kneeling right here, praying for comfort for their families, healing for the injured and true peace for our nation. Some of us will stay standing right here for freedom and justice for all. 

I have read all over my newsfeed Christians who are devastated by this, who are praying for all involved without one word about where the victims were or why they were there. No judgement for the victims, only sympathy and prayers. They did not deserve this. Their lives do matter. All lives matter.

MAN: I hear you, but that’s exactly the problem; that there was no mention of where the victims were or why they were there. This happened to queer people dancing in a queer club on latinx night. That matters. This was a hate crime. So unless people are ready to stand up to the next instance of transphobia or homophobia or racism they see or hear about or lobby to change policies to make it safer for LGBTQ people, the prayers feel empty to me personally. Thank you for your words and prayers. I hope we all find justice as well.

ME: That is where we differ – I believe we need to stand up for ALL people. 
Any time there is crime because of hate towards one group or individual, we are all at risk of the same fate. I do not single out one group over others, I care to stand for the rights of all, not because they are gay or straight, white or black, male or female, redneck or high society, but because they are people who are deserving of love and compassion. People made in the image of God, who loves them all. I believe we must stand up against hate and love one another.

Yes, it was a hate crime. A Muslim man hated gays. What he did was wrong. What do he DID was wrong. 

Crimes/actions should be punished. Not because of how he felt, but because the people he injured had a right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. He took those rights away from the victims by killing them. Anyone who does this should be punished by the law for their actions. 

But is his hate more wrong than the hate one man feels for another when he kills? Or when a man hated his girlfriend and kills her? Or when someone hates a Jew, Muslim or Christian and kills them because of their hate?

Should LGBTQ rights be elevated above all others? Do I have rights as a straight white mom of seven? As a Christian do I have rights or do my rights go away so that someone else’s rights may stand? That is exactly the thinking of the man who did this, “My rights and religion matter than the rights of these gay people!” 

I believe in justice for all, rights for all, love and kindness towards all. 

As for it being worse because it was a hate crime…

May I ask you to consider something: 

It used to be a crime for a man to be gay, to love another man. Now some want it to be a crime to hate another man. 

I believe it is dangerous to begin to outlaw how one thinks or feels. How can we begin to regulate thoughts or feelings and not get into very dangerous places legally? If we take away the right for one person to think one way, what stops us from taking away other rights? If the government takes away my right to free speech, what stops them from take away my right to a fair trial or from unjust searches?

Yes, what happened yesterday was a horrible tragedy, but for me it is not a tragedy because they were in a gay bar, but because they are people of value, people who have the right to live, to love, to have freedom and liberty, to pursue happiness whatever that looks like. 

The man who did this took that away from them. A Muslim man whose religion teaches that all homosexuals must be killed. My religion tells me that ALL people are to be loved. (No, I don’t do that perfectly , but I am working on it.)

As a mom who lost my twenty-year-old son three years ago, I grieve for the families. I know the pain they are facing, I know the challenges of dealing with autopsies, lawyers, investigations, and the like. I know what it is to deal with cleaning out my son’s apartment and figuring out what to do with his things. I know what it is like to deal with friends and family who are hurting. I know what it is like to see my husband grieve his son and my children grieve their brother.

For me, I stand for all lives matter. And I pray for the families of the victims, not because of their sexual orientation, but because they are people who are loved by God and by their friends and families. NO ONE DESERVES TO DIE THE WAY THEY DID. NO ONE. That is what I care about. That is why I am praying.

11 thoughts on “Orlando

  1. I like your point about punishing the crime itself, not the emotion behind it. Otherwise charges could get really sticky. Hate crime? Crime of passion? In Orlando, premeditation seems pretty clear since his wife reportedly helped him case the area surrounding the club. But in spur of the moment attacks, was it hate or was it passion? It’s a blurry line. Hate of someone/something is likely the motive behind every murder. So, as you said, a “hate crime” is really just a crime committed against a protected class of people. And shouldn’t we all be a protected class of people?

    When I was active in the pro-life movement, pro-choicers often argued, “You can’t legislate morality.” “Correct, I would respond, but you can legislate behavior.” Same goes for emotions.

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  2. I have read the Koran several times now…read it right alongside my Bible and compared them both..and nowhere does it say to go forth and kill people because of their homosexuality. Nor does it say to go kill Christians, Jews, or any other religion.

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  3. I can agree on most except for one thing: Islam does not condone homosexuality, but it does NOT teach us to kill homosexuals. Am I going to be friends with someone from the LGBT community? Honestly, no. (And this is a choice I made). But I’m not going to walk up to any of them and shoot them either.
    Any religion, be it Judaism, Christianity, Bhuddism, Hinduism or Islam, will have its extremists, those people who twist the tenets of their faith into something it is not.
    We should be careful when making statements about the teachings of other religions.

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      • I’m not a scholar, however, I can tell you that Hadith are classified into three types: Strong/Sound, Good and Weak, depending on the strength of the chain of narration. Only those that are classified as Sound are used wrt Islamic Law, and I can tell you that this one is not classified as sound.
        In my 33 years of learning, not one of my teachers (learned Islamic scholars) have ever taught me that homosexuals should be killed. The only time killing is ever justified is when it is in defense of your own life. We are not here to be judge and jury – that is His job

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